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Could Tesla Be Headed Down the Same Path as Toyota?

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In recent weeks there has been growing controversy and concern about the Tesla driver who crashed while using the Model S’s “Autopilot” mode and the claim of a Tesla car experiencing “sudden acceleration.”

So far, the cause of both crashes has been attributed to driver error. Joshua Brown, whose car failed to brake for a trailer that turned left in front of it, openly admitted beforehand that he didn’t pay attention to the road when his Tesla’s Autopilot feature was enabled, even though it warns drivers to keep their hands on the wheel and to be ready to take over at a moment’s notice.

Around the same time, a new owner who goes by the online name “Puzant” claimed that his five-day-old Tesla Model X electric SUV had experienced sudden and uncontrolled acceleration and crashed into a nearby nail salon—at least as his wife reported it. Tesla quickly released a statement that revealed “the vehicle was traveling at 6 mph when the accelerator pedal was abruptly increased to 100 percent,” suggesting that Puzant’s wife had simply pressed on the wrong pedal—something that happens more than you think.

In the U.S., a whopping 500 people die each year in car crashes caused by stepping on the gas instead of the brake, and a 2012 federal study found that this occurs far more often with women than with men.


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What’s interesting is that something similar had happened in 2010, when a veteran California Highway Patrol officer and his three family members died after his Lexus ES350 suddenly accelerated and crashed. This was after Toyota had recalled 3.8 million cars and trucks to change the floor mats and redesign the throttle pedal following reports that the mat could cause the pedal to get stuck.

Despite this, fear gripped the country after the 2010 incident and Toyota experienced an enormous spike in complaints for unintended acceleration, though it was found that the incidents were mostly caused by driver error or even drunkenness and that there was little substance behind the scare.

However, that didn’t stop Congress from shaking down Toyota for billions in legal settlements and recall costs—some of that money even went to help Tesla.

So could Tesla be headed down the same path as Toyota? I doubt it. Tesla is an American company and at this point, Elon Musk has garnered enough public confidence and awe that he could probably get away with worse. On the other hand, Toyota is a Japanese company and six years ago the country was knee deep in an economic depression. It’s unlikely the public will be nearly as willing to put Tesla to the stake as it was with Toyota.


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  • Kurt VerlinEditor

    Kurt Verlin was born in France and lives in the United States. Throughout his life he was always told French was the language of romance, but it was English he fell in love with. He likes cats, music, cars, 30 Rock, Formula 1, and pretending to be a race car driver in simulators; but most of all, he just likes to write about it all. See more articles by Kurt.

  • “little substance behind the scare?” You are not well researched on this topic, are you? Consider the following and catch up to the ALL ELECTRONIC THROTTLE CONTROL GLITCHES! Perhaps Tesla wants to follow in Toyota’s footsteps to escape blame?

    You may be unaware of it, but the NHTSA investigations into the Toyota SUA problem, one of which included a very short-duration study by NASA, were found to be flawed for a number of reasons by more than one expert electronics engineer. First, the study was very time-limited. Therefore. testing was inadequate/incomplete.

    Secondly, Toyota did not supply a critical piece of information (intentional?) to NASA and as a result, NASA omitted some important testing. Because of the flawed nature of that study, the conclusions drawn are erroneous. Aside from this fact, NASA did not find a defect within the scope of its investigation. NOTE: NASA did not and could not conclude that one did not exist.

    Those of us who are very concerned about Toyota sudden unintended acceleration rely on the findings of such reknowned embedded systems experts as Michael Barr, independent electrical engineering consultant Dr. Antony Anderson, Dr. Henning Leidecker, Dr. Ron Belt, and Dr. David Gilbert, among others.

    Michael Barr’s study of Toyota’s electronic throttle control system was not the time-limited one that NASA’s study was. In addition, far more testing of possible code errors was done. A critical finding was that when a specific error in code occurred in the ETCS-I software, it could not only cause an open throttle condition but it could also result in a no fail-safe situation. That is a deadly situation, I’m sure you will agree!

    Why was the NHTSA’s study so limited in scope? Why haven’t the findings of the above expert engineers been factored in? Why has the emphasis been totally on mechanical or external causes of Toyota SUA? Why the media spin that there is no electronic cause for Toyota’s SUA when the spin is based on flawed studies? Is it because Toyota doesn’t want to bow to public pressure to do the right thing?

    Charlene McCarthy Blake

    • Franko K.

      Their biggest mistake was delaying brake override many years ago. Does Tesla have brake override?

      From www DOT eetimes DOT com/document.asp?doc_id=1319897
      Acceleration Case: Jury Finds Toyota Liable

      www DOT eetimes DOT com/document.asp?doc_id=1321734
      Toyota Underestimated ‘Deadly’ Risks
      excerpt
      The NASA researchers, who were both on a deadline and not allowed to study Toyota’s source code, simply ran out of time, noted Barr.
      Under court order, a team from the Barr Group was allowed into a specially built “code room” provided by Toyota. They were able to pinpoint at least one anomaly that could have caused Toyota accelerators to build up speed while disabling the brake system. Barr also found numerous Toyota violations of software design standards. Toyota, in many instances, even
      broke its own rules for safe design and system redundancy.

      • Azar Hadi

        Excellent comment, thank you for posting. Rick Chase below has made comments and just would like you to know that he is an automaker’s troll. He follows Charlene and I every where we go to post comments.. I am a victim of runaway Lexus will be going to trial October 17, 2016 in Los Angeles. We are also on Twitter if you like to follow us and bring awareness into this deadly issue of Sudden Unintended Acceleration.. @interest1959 and @charleneblake..

        • Rick Chase

          Yeah, yeah, yeah. Same posts you two plant everywhere else. That’s way you get blocked everywhere you go. At least KCCI had the sense to block Charlene right off the top. Maybe if she wasn’t so demanding and making threats, she wouldn’t get blocked. Why doesn’t she try asking politely sometime?
          BTW, I just checked the update on a local story you might be interested in. Three adults and a child died when their rental car went off the road, rolled over and went into a retention pond. Witnesses said the car was NOT speeding, nor there there any abrupt movements. It just drifted over and crashed. It’s on WESH & clickorlando.
          What say you?

        • Franko K.

          Toyota Rep or stockholder?
          I still say if you have an older Toyota model with low risk but much more than others – even those not recalled and without brake override – get it installed with a computer mod – go pick it up and leave.

        • Rick Chase

          Word of honor. I have never owned a Toyota, and if I have any stock, it’s hidden somewhere in a portfolio that only my broker knows about. actually, my wife takes care of all that.
          I have yet to see ANY proof of SUA. There may have been one or two years ago, but I have worked with computers for years and if there was something lurking in there it would be well publicized by now.

        • Rick Chase

          Asked my wife. She says it’s highly doubtful we have any Toyota stock, since most of our investments are in other places than the stock market. I don’t know, she’ the financial expert. My electronic areas of expertise are computers in general, High speed military printers, nuclear medical equipment and audiology equipment.

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          Or, better yet, just learn this:

          Brake pedal⇨ ▇ ▌⇦ Gas Pedal

          BTW, since when is owning Toyota stock a requirement of having common sense?

        • Apparently, my comments have information that hits a raw nerve with Toyota-protecting entities! POOF! Gone via targeted down-voting and false reporting!

          Here’s my history with Toyota owner advocacy:

          I was the subject of an Automotive News article on May 13, 2002 regarding Toyota engine oil sludge. The title of the article was “Charlene’s Web…” My efforts to network with similarly-affected vehicle owners online was highlighted. During that time, I was visited by Bruce C. Ertmann, then CEO of Customer Relations at Toyota. He flew out to speak with me. Hew also flew out to buy out a Highlander owner who had SLUDGE w/ just 12,000 miles in the odometer. I had hoped he would be open to hearing about the growing engine oil sludge problem in Toyota and Lexus vehicles.

          Alas, he was NOT interested in hearing about the thousands of other Toyota and Lexus owners who were coming forward to speak up about this engine-destroying condition. I tried to interest him in what the others were saying about the engine condition that was costing the owners thousands of dollars in repair when their engines had to be replaced.

          He told me the engine information was “proprietary”….you know, like the much-coveted information about Toyota’s ETCS-i…and that he couldn’t discuss that aspect. I felt he needed to know that upon OIL ANALYSIS, the engine oil was shown to be prematurely breaking down even with just 2,000 miles in the oil. I felt he needed to know that thousands (roughly 10,000 complaints in the Complaint Station under “Toyota” at the time) of other Toyota owners were going online to find answers. I wanted him to know that these vehicle owners were NOT happy to be BLAMED for improper maintenance and causing their own engine oil sludge.

          I couldn’t help wondering WHY Mr. Ertmann traveled all that distance to visit with me…first at a local park I chose as a neutral location and then for nine hours at my local Toyota dealership in Fairfax, VA…IF he was not interested in hearing about all these seriously-impacted vehicle owners. WHY did he come that far then?

          Obviously, his mission was to intervene in my singular situation. He wasn’t there to help the consumer-networked group. Perhaps he wanted to end my online presence in the engine oil sludge matter? Perhaps he was there for damage control? Perhaps he was there to help Toyota bury its head in the sand further? Perhaps he needed to keep up the corporate denial mode? Perhaps he didn’t want to reveal the real reason Toyota and Lexus vehicles were FRYING the oil (yes…it looked just like goopy, burnt oil)? After all, WHY would a CEO of Customer Relations go to the trouble to single out a very online-vocal vehicle owner?

          I thought it was interesting that Mr. Ertmann, in addition to holding a business degree, holds an IT degree as well. His internet technology expertise is impressive! I wasn’t so impressed, though, when while online in real-time via e-mail with Mr. Ertmann much later (because I guess I didn’t shut up?), I experienced a strange computer intrusion which caused me to have, in effect, a computer crash. Yes, my internet security software program indicated lots of attempted malicious intrusion attempts previously, especially originating from California. BUT, that one intrusion put my computer out of commission at the time.

          So the big question is, does Toyota welcome information about a large group of vehicle owners experiencing major failures? Does it seek to uncover the real cause in these instances OR does it take an easier BLAME THE OWNER approach?

          Additionally, when Toyota comes out with “voluntary programs” or is forced to act after class action lawsuits, does it do so to the satisfaction of its customers?

          I sought to answer that question when I created the online Toyota Engine Oil Sludge petition long after Toyota claimed to have just 3200 affected sludge victims. The results of that petition…which gathered 3318 signatures despite DDoS on the site and petiton saboteurs…showed that Toyota was not honoring its public promises. It was STONEWALLING its loyal customers.

          Is that what it’s doing in the sudden unintended acceleration debacle NOW? Is the Robert & Kathy Ruginis case just the tip of the iceberg? Have the voices of the victims not been yet heard publicly? Is there an urgent need to have public disclosure about an ETCS-i problem?

          Let’s find out…

          Charlene McCarthy Blake

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          What about the part where you were referred to as “hysterical”, Ignoramus????????

        • Why are committing libel in an effort to discredit me? Your taunting is every bit as bizarre as these crashes! You must be very worried word will spread.

        • Rick Chase

          How am I committing libel? I’m not worried about anything spreading because there is nothing to spread.

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          Why are you fabricating nonsense and spewing out baseless allegations? You deliberate ignorance is very bizarre.

        • Rick Chase

          On the Tesla story, how did you get that guy that signs on a PieceOfResistance to try to make me make a mistake? He claimed to be an embedded software engineer, but couldn’t answer a question about basic programming.

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          My theory is he was associated with the fraud Barr at some point, which is why he was desperately defending him…that, or he’s just another NUTJOB.

        • Rick Chase

          Actually, Barr has some points. The thing is they are theoretically possible, but most likely won’t happen in the real world.

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          They’ve never happened in the real world. Hence why his fabrications were rejected by NHTSA.

        • Rick Chase

          But they COULD. I’ve done enough error testing and injections in all kinds of electronic equipment to know ANYTHING is possible, just not probable. I once forced a computer module that controlled a piece of nuclear medical equipment to go from 0 degrees to 120 degrees in 3 minutes to see what would happen to it’s output. Never happen in the real world, but by golly, we tested for it.

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          Not without deliberately introducing faulty code to the cars computer with a laptop hooked up to it, which would then throw a trouble code and go into “limp” mode, just as it did with the fraud Barr. In others, never in the real world.

        • Azar’s description of a guard dog is accurate. Your alter ego is always right behind you, too, within minutes. The taunting and stalking are creepy, to say the least! Screenshots prove.

        • Rick Chase

          In you mind only. If I WAS stalking you, you would know it. Look up the definition sometime. Besides, screenshot will show you and AZAR have libeled me (and any other person named Richard Chase) time and time again. The ONLY reason they haven’t said anything, is they haven’t seen it because only your followers (mostly spam ads and I sure of that because I’ve seen them) and those you direct a tweet to using @ get to see them. They don’t pop up on everybody’s page automatically. That’s why they say “search #whatever”. You spend a lot of time and no one sees it.

        • WHAT IN THE WORLD?!? Now you are threatening me? PLEASE STOP! I’ve made my public acknowledgment of your harassment…for the record.

        • Rick Chase

          What do you perceive as a threat? Take your time answering, it’s dinner time. Back around 7.

        • Rick Chase

          A couple of things to finish this off and for you to think about:
          1. I hadn’t made any comments to you lately, especially on this thread. You came looking for me.
          2. Learn what constitutes libel. My comments almost always are phrased as an opinion. “I think”, “maybe you”, “could she be”. Those are not libel, they are an opinion. You two on the other hand, made direct statements: “He is”, You are”. THOSE are libel if you can’t prove them in a court of law, which you can’t.
          3. I will agree with you on Takata, GM and Volkswagen. There are main stream media stories on these constantly. There is nothing about SUA or Bravecto. Snopes is a well known, reputable, independent site expressly for proving or disproving rumors.
          4. How about an opinion on these: Gun control, White police killing blacks, black killing blacks. Those are MUCH more important topics.
          5. Finally, if you don’t want me to see and respond to you posts, don’t post them. They are public domain at that point and I have every legal right to view them (including Twitter). Several times I have given you stories to comment on or asked for your opinion on a story and you ignore me. Fine. I don’t really need it. Just remember when you make a comment about me and what I post that I have an open profile and anybody can view it and decide whether you are right or not.
          BTW, KCCI don’t like you very much does it? Maybe you should try being polite and not demanding.

        • Rick Chase

          Just to show you something: You retweeted about that Highlander that hit the house twice. In the comments you talked about the EDR readings being faulty. I guess you missed this in the story: “here is a hard physical connection from the brake pedal to the brakes
          themselves, so an electrical fault couldn’t have kept them from
          functioning.” If the brake light didn’t come on, she didn’t hit the brakes. There is NO electrical connection between the pedal and the brakes. You CAN’T spin that.
          You also don’t understand what Barr was saying in his report . I don’t have the time or inclination to give you a lesson in computer programming. Try researching your subject so you don’t sound foolish when you post something.
          KCCI blocked to because you were demanding, repetitive and threatened them. Try being polite sometime. You might get more information that way.

        • There is a BIG hidden secret in the auto industry…it’s called ELECTRONIC sudden unintended acceleration! I know…you thought that was just about FLOOR MATS and sticky pedals, or “driver error,” right? That’s certainly what TOYOTA would like you to continue to believe, BUT DON’T!

          These ultra-complex new engines are completely computer driven. Software is needed to control the throttle system. You THINK you are giving gas when you press the accelerator, but you are only SUGGESTING this to the computer. In electronic SUA cases, the throttle software may be glitch-prone and NOT do as you wish.

          What happens then? Well, the glitch may (and has for countless SUA victims) result in an OPEN THROTTLE situation. The brakes become INEFFECTIVE in these situations and crashes into storefronts, buildings, and homes have resulted.

          What does the automaker say? They hook the vehicles up to the computer and declare NOTHING WRONG! They cite the EDR which has erroneous data and say YOU were NOT braking. They point the finger at you based on AGE, GENDER, MEDICAL history, prescription meds, etc. YOU name it, they’ve TRIED it!

          Get the picture? And you THOUGHT the GM issue was big? Think again! This cover-up of ELECTRONIC SUA is scandalous and very well-orchestrated.

          Why even a WHISTLEBLOWER has been legally harassed by Toyota as it does NOT want her Toyota internal docs posted online anymore. The automaker wants to intimidate and SILENCE her. It doesn’t want the PUBLIC involved, for goodness sake!

          Charlene Blake

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          I’ve lost count of the number of times you’ve posted that piece of garbage of yours, Ignoramus. Why so desperate???

        • Rick Chase

          Oh come on. I’ve seen that many times. You don’t have to keep posting it. I’ve got it memorized.

        • Rick Chase

          Question to you: A car drifted off I-95 today, rolling over and going into a retention pond. killing 4 including a child. It was definitely not SUA. What do you think?

        • Rick Chase

          Gonna answer this?

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          When you’re a negligent driver and you kill someone, you tend to go to jail, Ignoranus.

        • Rick Chase

          Are you feeling all right? No comment on the car that went off I-95, rolled over and went int a retention pond killing 4 including a child?

        • Taking screenshots of the libel (“making threats”). The only thing blocked is Toyota SUA or any ELECTRONIC FAULT suggestion/discussion!

        • Rick Chase

          Don’t forget, you and Azar have been libeling me for months.

        • Rick Chase

          BTW, I hope they live stream your trial. I can’t wait to see what happens.

        • Why are you taunting a Toyota sudden unintended acceleration VICTIM who is going to court with Toyota this year with top notch attorneys who have tackled the automaker before? Your interest in a Toyota SUA victim and her auto consumer advocates is bizarre!

        • Rick Chase

          Nope, Just want to see what happens.

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          Maybe because she’s a delusional dolt like you who ignores facts and caused her own crash by pressing the wrong pedal and is now trying to profit from her own incompetence by hiring a bunch of shyster lawyers, Ignoramus.

          Why are you dumb?

      • Rick Chase

        I am a retired electronics/computer tech with 50 years experience in the field from mainframes to microcomputers. What Azar fails to mention is the fact there are several time I post on a story long before she or Charlene does, then they come on and accuse me of following them. Before you commit to any conversation with either I respectfully suggest you look closely at their Twitter pages and Charlene’s Discus history. Unlike Azar’s, hers is open. You may also read back through my history and decide for yourself what to do.
        You may want to read this: au (D0T) news (D0T) yahoo (D0T) com/a/29208609/a-memo-to-my-dearest-trolls/#page1.

        • Libel in an attempt to discredit my Toyota SUA information. Character assassination is common when anyone speaks out about Toyota! The link you posted is propaganda being spread in an effort to intimidate me.

          Why is it that in every high profile Toyota SUA crash, the driver is slammed by Toyota-protectors in the media? Why are engineering/electronic experts who speak out about how Toyota SUA occurs being targeted and said to have created a “hoax?”

          Oh…that’s right! It’s interest in the $bottomline instead is customers, isn’t it? Toyota has been telling vehicle owners who ALERT the company to SUA incidents that they either had a foot on the brake and accelerator at the same time or had a trapped floor mat? When the “hit the gas pedal instead of the brake doesn’t work, then the Toyota folks look for other excuses! OH…what a feeling of CUSTOMER BETRAYAL!

          Yes! Let’s see if TESLA is heading in Toyota’s footsteps!

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          Flagged for troll spam propaganda.

        • Rick Chase

          Please quote what you THINK I said.

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          You don’t have any SUA information, Ignoramus.

          When were you diagnosed??

        • In your own exact words:

          “You’re sick. Passing on false information to crate a panic is the worst thing you can do on the internet.”

        • Rick Chase

          snopes (DOT) com/bravecto-flea-and-tick-warning/ READ IT! If you don’t you are ignoring the truth. You keep saying you want the truth out there, learn what it is.

        • Wow! You are protecting Big Pharma in addition to the auto industry! Who knew!

          You have chosen to go off-topic. Please refer to the PET OWNER STORIES on the Facebook page “Does Bravecto Kill Dogs?”

          I know all about “Snopes.” Is the vet quoted there an employee for Merck? Has the site been updated based on the 17,000 member base of the Facebook page referenced above?

          The page you reference is unadulterated *propaganda* on the topic of the canine drug Bravecto. The site authors never once contacted the dog Duncan’s owner or the Facebook page owner.

          This is adding more pieces to the puzzle, though, about how corporate-protectors target perceived critics. Interesting.

        • Rick Chase

          Why do you believe something one person posted on Facebook. I could make up 6 Facebook pages and post something different on each one, and make each contradictory. Which would you believe? Snopes is a dedicated site to prove or disprove on line rumors.

        • Rick Chase

          I think you are AFRAID of the truth.

        • WHY would you be up until 2 AM stalking & bullying an auto consumer advocate online? Then, you’re back at it again this morning for hours!

          What in my comments is so upsetting to you? Why the urgency in distracting and provoking me about Toyota SUA or Merck’s drug Bravecto? You are wearing your corporate allegiance on your sleeve. Please advocate for VICTIMS of defective or unsafely-marketed products. Your time is wasted on harassing the messengers! It’s NOT effective!

        • Rick Chase

          I go to bed about 1:30 – 2:00 because I’m retired. I’m up at about 6:30 to see my wife off to work and then I go back to bed for a couple of hours. That’s why you never see anything time stamped between 7 and 9.
          I have no “corporate allegiance”. I know you don’t believe it, but it’s true.

        • Paladin

          You don’t know what truth is. You’re too busy stroking yourself.

        • Rick Chase

          If you don’t read the article, you are a COWARD. You CLAIM to be an advocate. HAH! Advocates learn the truth. They check ALL sources and don’t pass on misinformation. You are no more an advocate than I am.

        • Stalking, bullying, and attempted intimidation noted!

        • Rick Chase

          HA. My open profile proves otherwise.

        • And LOOK…here you are in REAL-TIME stalking me more! I left this article comment section and you taunted me for hours via notifications. Sooooo BIZARRE!

        • Rick Chase

          Not really, I just finished watching the NASCAR race and checked this tab which is always up on one of my computers ad saw that there were new comments added.

        • Rick Chase

          I find this interesting:
          “aritweets ‏@aritweets 10h10 hours ago West Hollywood, CA

          @charleneblake I’m up for doing it remotely for whatever company you investigate for.
          So who DO you work for?
          You always say you want the truth, tell ariterrts the truth. That you work for some ambulance chasing shyster.

        • Libel and defamation noted!

        • Rick Chase

          Try and prove it.

        • Paladin

          Your ******* alright.

      • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

        The fraud Barr, who was paid for by lawyers suing for money, notwithstanding, you may want to read the actual NASA report for yourself. It was backe by the National Academy of Sciences, for one, and showed that driver error (a driver pressing the gas thinking it’s the brake) was the main culprit. Brake override doesn’t stop driver error from happening, FYI.

        • You may be unaware of it, but the NHTSA investigations into the Toyota SUA problem, one of which included a very short-duration study by NASA, were found to be flawed for a number of reasons by more than one expert electronics engineer. First, the study was very time-limited. Therefore. testing was inadequate/incomplete.

          Secondly, Toyota did not supply a critical piece of information (intentional?) to NASA and as a result, NASA omitted some important testing. Because of the flawed nature of that study, the conclusions drawn are erroneous. Aside from this fact, NASA did not find a defect within the scope of its investigation. NOTE: NASA did not and could not conclude that one did not exist.

          Those of us who are very concerned about Toyota sudden unintended acceleration rely on the findings of such reknowned embedded systems experts as Michael Barr, independent electrical engineering consultant Dr. Antony Anderson, Dr. Henning Leidecker, Dr. Ron Belt, and Dr. David Gilbert, among others.

          Michael Barr’s study of Toyota’s electronic throttle control system was not the time-limited one that NASA’s study was. In addition, far more testing of possible code errors was done. A critical finding was that when a specific error in code occurred in the ETCS-I software, it could not only cause an open throttle condition but it could also result in a no fail-safe situation. That is a deadly situation, I’m sure you will agree!

          Why was the NHTSA’s study so limited in scope? Why haven’t the findings of the above expert engineers been factored in? Why has the emphasis been totally on mechanical or external causes of Toyota SUA? Why the media spin that there is no electronic cause for Toyota’s SUA when the spin is based on flawed studies? Is it because Toyota doesn’t want to bow to public pressure to do the right thing?

          Charlene McCarthy Blake

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          Your cut and paste nonsense doesn’t work on me, Ignoramus.

      • There is a BIG hidden secret in the auto industry…it’s called ELECTRONIC sudden unintended acceleration! I know…you thought that was just about FLOOR MATS and sticky pedals, or “driver error,” right? That’s certainly what TOYOTA would like you to continue to believe, BUT DON’T!

        These ultra-complex new engines are completely computer driven. Software is needed to control the throttle system. You THINK you are giving gas when you press the accelerator, but you are only SUGGESTING this to the computer. In electronic SUA cases, the throttle software may be glitch-prone and NOT do as you wish.

        What happens then? Well, the glitch may (and has for countless SUA victims) result in an OPEN THROTTLE situation. The brakes become INEFFECTIVE in these situations and crashes into storefronts, buildings, and homes have resulted.

        What does the automaker say? They hook the vehicles up to the computer and declare NOTHING WRONG! They cite the EDR which has erroneous data and say YOU were NOT braking. They point the finger at you based on AGE, GENDER, MEDICAL history, prescription meds, etc. YOU name it, they’ve TRIED it!

        Get the picture? And you THOUGHT the GM issue was big? Think again! This cover-up of ELECTRONIC SUA is scandalous and very well-orchestrated.

        Why even a WHISTLEBLOWER has been legally harassed by Toyota as it does NOT want her Toyota internal docs posted online anymore. The automaker wants to intimidate and SILENCE her. It doesn’t want the PUBLIC involved, for goodness sake!

        Charlene McCarthy Blake

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          Flagged for troll spam garbage, Ignoramus.

        • Rick Chase

          You’re going to get blocked from here, just like you were on KCCI.

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          Good. Keep flagging the garbage of hers.

        • You’ve told me over and over that you intentionally down-vote and flag my comments to get that to happen.

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          And you’ve desperately claimed over and over that cars are out to get us. You’ve literally been wrong every time, ignoramus.

        • Rick Chase

          I’ve also told you that I (or anybody else for that matter can only do it ONCE. It takes many to get a comment moderated or deleted. Once person can not do it ALONE. Got it?

        • I will be blogging about how this is all done by the Toyota-protecting entities. I have made screenshots of the admissions re: down-voting; flagging; & reporting. All is done in an effort to CENSOR the topic of Toyota SUA.

          Thanks for the warning about what you are doing behind the scenes. It’s pretty easy to see how censorship is done using anonymity. I don’t chose to comment anonymously. I’m simply an auto consumer advocate. Do what you need to do to protect Toyota!

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          Nobody cares about your nonsense fabrications and goofy accusations, Ignoramus.

        • Rick Chase

          Knock yourself out. You can’t even get Twitter to work for you. The last time I looked your “Blog” hadn’t been used for months. Just remember this: No one will see anything you post unless they LOOK for it. It won’t magically pop up on everybody’s screens.

        • Rick Chase

          Haven’t seen anything yet. Chicken out?

        • Rick Chase

          Blog about this about Bravecto:
          snopes (DOT) com/bravecto-flea-and-tick-warning/
          You are wrong again loser.

        • Your stalking gets more bizarre by the minute! WHY are you talking about the canine oral pesticide Bravecto which has not been discussed here? You surely have seen the Facebook page “Does Bravecto Kill Dogs?” whose founder, Susan Wolfe, now has 17,000+ members? Your research is superficial if you are surmising Bravecto is safe! Are you also protecting Merck, too? How about all Big Pharma?

          Obviously, you are here to attempt to CENSOR & discredit any discussion against corporate wrongdoing, aren’t you? WHO stalks Toyota SUA VICTIMS & their advocates like you do?

        • Rick Chase

          READ the snpoes article!. It’s one of the most respected sites for debunking myths. You are spreading lies and misinformation.

        • Rick Chase

          Actually, I’ve always been curious about the lunatic fringe. You know, those who have been aboard alien spacecraft, the conspiracy theorists…, those sort of people.

        • I suppose you’re also opposed to the documentary VAXXED, too, since you are trying to insinuate that PET OWNERS whose dogs have DIED or been permanently damaged after taking an oral PESTICIDE called Bravecto are all *lying* about their beloved pets’ horrific experiences?

          Your attempts to distract, provoke, personally attack, defame, etc are so noted!

        • Rick Chase

          Snopes is acknowledged as the leader in debunking on line rumors. I believe them.

        • Rick Chase

          You’re sick. Passing on false information to crate a panic is the worst thing you can do on the internet.

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          More cut and paste troll spam propaganda….

      • Excellent articles on this topic and more on EETimes! At least this publication isn’t beholden to Toyota for advertising $$. The experts there see the seriousness of the ALL ELECTRONIC THROTTLE faults! The limitations of new vehicle electronic software need exposing! Strict regulation of the safety-critical systems is needed ASAP!

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          But if you want actual facts, you’ll need to look elsewhere, Ignoramus.
          Remembering this will be more effective than your kooky schemes:

          Brake pedal⇨ ▇ ▌⇦ Gas Pedal

          Why so desperate???

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          That’s because those “experts” you cute were paid by lawyers suing for money, Ignoramus.

      • Jean Marie

        Since when is NASA testing cars? Wouldn’t that be the NHTSA?

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          NHTSA commissioned NASA to evaluate the witch-hunt around Toyotas a few years ago and the disproven theory of cars taking off on their own. It was shown that dumb drivers were pressing the wrong pedal.

    • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

      Flagged for excessive stupidity.

      Please read some facts such as this, Ignoramus:

      “Investigations into reports of these incidents by NHTSA, NTSB and others during the past 40 years have not identified any vehicle defects that can cause sudden failures of both the throttle and braking systems and have attributed these complaints to pedal error by the driver. Field investigations over the past five years by NHTSA and others using pre-crash pedal application data from vehicle event data recorders have determined that drivers who believed they were applying the brake in such incidents were often mistakenly applying the accelerator instead. Based on these investigations, NHTSA has not identified any defects with the vehicles that can explain simultaneous failures of the throttle and brake systems.”

  • “A whopping 500 people die in car crashes caused by stepping on the gas instead of the brake?” Have you asked how many drivers have that “theory” put in their police repeats despite their dispute? It happens all the time, especially if the drivers are described as “elderly!”

    We have some well-orchestrated auto industry “script” being played by automakers; police; media; & more. Things will be kept under wraps, won’t they?

    • Rick Chase

      I really wish you would provide documented proof of your comments. You might get a bigger audience.
      BTW, someday, I might try to explain what the Michal Barr report REALLY means, but you would have to take a course in basic computing and electronics first.

  • Rick Chase

    IDK, it looks like we’re looking at two different things. There has been no flat-out reliable documented proof that Toyotas have a software problem, at least not as extensively as some seem to think. There may have been one or tow possible glitches that cause acceleration, but most have most likely been driver error.
    Tesla, on the other hand, seems to have a problem with recondition of light surfaces, as with the crash in Florida, but a bigger problem is drivers relying too much on Auto Pilot. It’s a helper like cruise control, not “sit back relax and leave the driving to me” kind of thing. Even in the Florida crash, had the driver been paying attention (It’s rumored he was watching a movie) he might still be alive. The DRIVER is always the final fail-safe in every driving situation. The days of George Jetson are not yet here.
    JMO…

    • Singer/songwriter, Kris Kitko did an AWESOME job on her YouTube video, “Toyota Where Are Ya?” The video was directed at Toyota regarding her own real world experience with Toyota SUA, sudden unintended acceleration. With her satirical approach, she completely destroyed the Toyota and NHTSA myth about SUA, namely “pedal misapplication” by drivers. Unfortunately, Kris Kitko’s YouTube video is no longer available for viewing online.

      In the wake of the NHTSA/DOJ $1.2 BILLION settlement following a CRIMINAL investigation, Kris should be encouraged to use her finely-honed musical skills to do a sequel to her first Toyota SUA YouTube video. The U.S. Federal Government allowed Toyota “deferred prosecution” in this settlement provided it follow the steps outlined in the terms of the agreement. No one…not one single Toyota executive…is going to serve any prison time for knowingly withholding evidence that could have saved many lives and ensured public safety on the roads.Toyota ADMITTED that it LIED to both the Toyota customers and the government.

      Michael Barr, renowned embedded systems expert, after studying Toyota’s ETCS-I far longer than NASA did, found the existence of faults in the software which could lead to a real-world, potentially-catastrophic SUA event with a number of potentially ineffective failsafes. Imagine flying down the road in a Toyota with no functioning brake override to exit a software task-death! Isn’t that a bit like being on a high-speed roller coaster and having the track fail to keep you on? And want to know the most SHOCKING part? Toyota reportedly didn’t have a copy of the code in their OWN monitor chip! Michael Barr and company had to SHOW them! Can we just say, “Scary!”

      Toyota cites that there is no electronic cause for SUA in its vehicles based on the short-duration investigations by NHTSA and NASA. Michael Barr and other experts have shown these studies to be scientifically seriously flawed. First, the ETCS-I software investigation was extremely limited. Only a SMALL FRACTION of the embedded software was tested by NASA.

      Secondly, Toyota misrepresented the presence of EDAC RAM (error detection and correction random access memory) while indications of this issue were apparently redacted in the original NHTSA report. This misled NASA into NOT LOOKING INTO a number of potential sources of failure – which they may otherwise might have.

      According to NASA expert, Dr. Henning Leidecker, some Toyota’s can grow “tin whiskers” within certain electronic components. This can result in short circuits which can lead to yet another type of electronically-induced SUA event. Dr. Leidecker and associates actually DID FIND and study a case of “tin whiskers” found within the accelerator pedal assembly; rendering a Toyota vehicle UNDRIVEABLE.

      Dr. Leidecker suggests driving the affected Toyota vehicles is “a game of Russian roulette.” Dr. Leidecker is most concerned about 2002-2006 Toyota Camrys with their potential to grow “tin whiskers.” He indicates the risk of this condition increases over time.

      Meanwhile, whistleblower Betsy Benjaminson remains scared for Toyota drivers. She is convinced Toyota’s own internal documents strongly indicate SOMETHING IS WRONG with their ETCS-i ELECTRONICS . She says “ghosts” indicate glitches can cause a runaway car. Betsy now blogs on a Blogger website where she continues to EXPOSE key documents that she says open the company’s PR KIMONO. Betsy’s goal is to reveal the true inside story of Toyota’s SUA problem and to demonstrate and expose the differences between the company walk and company talk.

      How did Betsy turn whistleblower? As a Japanese-to-English translator, Betsy was hired by Toyota’s legal team to translate documents for the criminal investigation of Toyota. Just like the DOJ, Betsy SMELLED A RAT. After checking with top experts, she came forward to alert the public to the major safety issues involved.

      Toyota owner, turned consumer activist-blogger, Parris Boyd has been blogging about what he calls “The Recall King” (a.k.a. Toyota) for years. His blog, “Beware of Toyota. Their next victim may be YOU…,” was initially an outlet for his frustration with Toyota–after his MR2 Spyder’s engine disintegrated at low mileage. What Parris faced was an unresponsive, stonewalling company operating within a state of denial.

      During the height of Toyota’s engine oil SLUDGE debacle, Parris created his blog with the goal of using his free speech to help other similarly-affected Toyota owners. He also wanted the public to know just how Toyota and its dealerships treated their “valued customers.” Parris’s Blogger website currently receives over 100 views a day!

      So, WHY is Toyota trying so hard to CONVINCE its own customers and the public that its vehicles suffer from SUA caused only by 1) improperly placed or type of floor mats (huh?); 2) sticky accelerator pedals (like those pesky sticky Sienna minivan sliding doors?); or 3) pedal misapplication (oh…the little old lady theory?). Why does it IGNORE the recent findings of the electronic experts? WHY isn’t it currently LISTENING to its own customers?

      Well, YOU be the judge. The FACTS are before you.

      • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

        How many years have you been using that one, Ignoramus??

      • Rick Chase

        Again, I’ve got it memorized.

        • Paladin

          Really?

    • Driver…yadda yadda yadda! Toyota blamed engine oil sludge on the owners’ maintenance! It was actually an internal engine problem that caused engine failures ultimately! Chrysler blamed the owners for not properly using their ABS! It was actually premature failure of the two ABS brake components!

      The auto manufacturer BLAME GAME has been going on since both of these mid-1990s problems started! Apparently, the Toyota engine oil sludge, like the sudden unintended acceleration, has continued.

      • Rick Chase

        I had two cars that ended up with sludge. It was my fault, I never changed the oil.

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          Are you sure it wasn’t something imaginary like goblins are fairies???? Ignoramus seems to believe in that kinda stuff…

        • Rick Chase

          No, I was just too lazy to change the oil.

        • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

          That’s probably the case for most of the scenarios Ignoramus is in denial about.

        • Rick Chase

          Probably

        • One was Toyota, no doubt!

        • Rick Chase

          No, they were both Fords.

        • Paladin

          That’s stupid!

      • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

        Maybe because there’s no fix for people not properly changing their oil, just like there’s no fix for dumb divers pressing the wrong pedal, Ignoramus.

        Seriously, when were you diagnosed?????

      • disqus_SSnOVFiYjM

        Where’s your lackey azar??

  • There is a BIG hidden secret in the auto industry…it’s called ELECTRONIC sudden unintended acceleration! I know…you thought that was just about FLOOR MATS and sticky pedals, or “driver error,” right? That’s certainly what TOYOTA would like you to continue to believe, BUT DON’T!

    These ultra-complex new engines are completely computer driven. Software is needed to control the throttle system. You THINK you are giving gas when you press the accelerator, but you are only SUGGESTING this to the computer. In electronic SUA cases, the throttle software may be glitch-prone and NOT do as you wish.

    What happens then? Well, the glitch may (and has for countless SUA victims) result in an OPEN THROTTLE situation. The brakes become INEFFECTIVE in these situations and crashes into storefronts, buildings, and homes have resulted.

    What does the automaker say? They hook the vehicles up to the computer and declare NOTHING WRONG! They cite the EDR which has erroneous data and say YOU were NOT braking. They point the finger at you based on AGE, GENDER, MEDICAL history, prescription meds, etc. YOU name it, they’ve TRIED it!

    Get the picture? And you THOUGHT the GM issue was big? Think again! This cover-up of ELECTRONIC SUA is scandalous and very well-orchestrated.

    Why even a WHISTLEBLOWER has been legally harassed by Toyota as it does NOT want her Toyota internal docs posted online anymore. The automaker wants to intimidate and SILENCE her. It doesn’t want the PUBLIC involved, for goodness sake!

    Charlene McCarthy Blake

  • Singer/songwriter, Kris Kitko did an AWESOME job on her YouTube video, “Toyota Where Are Ya?” The video was directed at Toyota regarding her own real world experience with Toyota SUA, sudden unintended acceleration. With her satirical approach, she completely destroyed the Toyota and NHTSA myth about SUA, namely “pedal misapplication” by drivers. Unfortunately, Kris Kitko’s YouTube video is no longer available for viewing online.

    In the wake of the NHTSA/DOJ $1.2 BILLION settlement following a CRIMINAL investigation, Kris should be encouraged to use her finely-honed musical skills to do a sequel to her first Toyota SUA YouTube video. The U.S. Federal Government allowed Toyota “deferred prosecution” in this settlement provided it follow the steps outlined in the terms of the agreement. No one…not one single Toyota executive…is going to serve any prison time for knowingly withholding evidence that could have saved many lives and ensured public safety on the roads.Toyota ADMITTED that it LIED to both the Toyota customers and the government.

    Michael Barr, renowned embedded systems expert, after studying Toyota’s ETCS-I far longer than NASA did, found the existence of faults in the software which could lead to a real-world, potentially-catastrophic SUA event with a number of potentially ineffective failsafes. Imagine flying down the road in a Toyota with no functioning brake override to exit a software task-death! Isn’t that a bit like being on a high-speed roller coaster and having the track fail to keep you on? And want to know the most SHOCKING part? Toyota reportedly didn’t have a copy of the code in their OWN monitor chip! Michael Barr and company had to SHOW them! Can we just say, “Scary!”

    Toyota cites that there is no electronic cause for SUA in its vehicles based on the short-duration investigations by NHTSA and NASA. Michael Barr and other experts have shown these studies to be scientifically seriously flawed. First, the ETCS-I software investigation was extremely limited. Only a SMALL FRACTION of the embedded software was tested by NASA.

    Secondly, Toyota misrepresented the presence of EDAC RAM (error detection and correction random access memory) while indications of this issue were apparently redacted in the original NHTSA report. This misled NASA into NOT LOOKING INTO a number of potential sources of failure – which they may otherwise might have.

    According to NASA expert, Dr. Henning Leidecker, some Toyota’s can grow “tin whiskers” within certain electronic components. This can result in short circuits which can lead to yet another type of electronically-induced SUA event. Dr. Leidecker and associates actually DID FIND and study a case of “tin whiskers” found within the accelerator pedal assembly; rendering a Toyota vehicle UNDRIVEABLE.

    Dr. Leidecker suggests driving the affected Toyota vehicles is “a game of Russian roulette.” Dr. Leidecker is most concerned about 2002-2006 Toyota Camrys with their potential to grow “tin whiskers.” He indicates the risk of this condition increases over time.

    Meanwhile, whistleblower Betsy Benjaminson remains scared for Toyota drivers. She is convinced Toyota’s own internal documents strongly indicate SOMETHING IS WRONG with their ETCS-i ELECTRONICS . She says “ghosts” indicate glitches can cause a runaway car. Betsy now blogs on a Blogger website where she continues to EXPOSE key documents that she says open the company’s PR KIMONO. Betsy’s goal is to reveal the true inside story of Toyota’s SUA problem and to demonstrate and expose the differences between the company walk and company talk.

    How did Betsy turn whistleblower? As a Japanese-to-English translator, Betsy was hired by Toyota’s legal team to translate documents for the criminal investigation of Toyota. Just like the DOJ, Betsy SMELLED A RAT. After checking with top experts, she came forward to alert the public to the major safety issues involved.

    Toyota owner, turned consumer activist-blogger, Parris Boyd has been blogging about what he calls “The Recall King” (a.k.a. Toyota) for years. His blog, “Beware of Toyota. Their next victim may be YOU…,” was initially an outlet for his frustration with Toyota–after his MR2 Spyder’s engine disintegrated at low mileage. What Parris faced was an unresponsive, stonewalling company operating within a state of denial.

    During the height of Toyota’s engine oil SLUDGE debacle, Parris created his blog with the goal of using his free speech to help other similarly-affected Toyota owners. He also wanted the public to know just how Toyota and its dealerships treated their “valued customers.” Parris’s Blogger website currently receives over 100 views a day!

    So, WHY is Toyota trying so hard to CONVINCE its own customers and the public that its vehicles suffer from SUA caused only by 1) improperly placed or type of floor mats (huh?); 2) sticky accelerator pedals (like those pesky sticky Sienna minivan sliding doors?); or 3) pedal misapplication (oh…the little old lady theory?). Why does it IGNORE the recent findings of the electronic experts? WHY isn’t it currently LISTENING to its own customers?

    Well, YOU be the judge. The FACTS are before you.

    Charlene McCarthy Blake

    • Rick Chase

      We know. Why was it taken down? BTW, there’s no one reading this thread except you and me.

      • Paladin

        Let me quess. Nonsense?